Exo
20:8-11 “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart. “Six days
you labour, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is
a
Sabbath of יהוה your Elohim. You do not do any
work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your
male servant, nor your female servant, nor your
cattle, nor your stranger
who is within your gates. “For
in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in
them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore יהוה
blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.
There is only one weekly day of rest
which is recognised and which will be kept under Yahuah's reign and
covenant and in shamayim (pw heaven) and that is the shabbat - the
seventh day, not a SUNday of Friday
Isa 56:6 Also the
sons of the STRANGER (goyim / heathens/ gentiles) , that join
themselves to YAHUAH to serve him, and to love the name of YAHUAH* , to
be his servants, every one that keepeth
the sabbath from polluting it, and
taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa
56:7 Even them will I bring to my morally ordained mountain, and
make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their
offerings shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be
called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.
Isa 66:23 And it
shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all
flesh come to worship before me, saith YAHUAH.
Over 5 hours of video where we challenge American Charismatic Preacher
"BISHOP" TD Jakes on
his Anti-Sabbath "sermon"
We must remember that "Bishop" is a
pagan term not in the scriptures and that it was this same pagan order
that tried
to replace the sabbath with SUNday worship in the beginning.
The "christian church" claims that they have scriptural basis for
replacing the sabbath with SUNday worship and many deny that they are
bowing to the catholic church with this idolatry. Many of them deny
that it was the pope who changed the day. However history says
otherwise:
Pope Sylvester I (314-335
A.D.)
Decrees the Transfer of Sabbath Rest to Sunday:
Rabanus Maurus
(776-856), abbot of Fulda and later archbishop of Mainz, Germany, was
rated one of the greatest theologians of his age and probably the most
cultured man of his time, and exceptionally learned in patristics.
Besides, he was a zealous defender of the papacy and its teachings. In
one of his works, he says,
Pope Sylvester instructed the clergy to keep the feriae.
And, indeed, from an old custom he called the first day [of the week]
the "Lord's [day]," on which the light was made in the beginning and
also the resurrection of Christ is celebrated.6
Rabanus Maurus does not mean to say that Sylvester was the
first man who referred to the days of the week as feriae or who
first started the observance of Sunday among Christians. He means that,
according to the testimony of Roman Catholic writers, Sylvester
confirmed those practices and made them official insofar as his church
was concerned. Hence Rabanus says elsewhere in his writings:
Pope Sylvester first among the Romans ordered that the
names of the days [of the week], which they previously called after the
name of their gods, that is, [the day] of the Sun, [the day] of the
Moon, [the day] of Mars, [the day] of Mercury, [the day] of Jupiter,
[the day] of Venus, [the day] of Saturn, they should call feriae
thereafter, that is the first feria, the second feria, the
third feria, the fourth feria, the fifth feria, the
sixth feria, because that in the beginning of Genesis it is
written that God said concerning each day: on the first, "Let there be
light:; on the second, "Let there be a firmament"; on the third, "Let
the earth bring forth verdure"; etc. But he [Sylvester] ordered [them]
to call the Sabbath by the ancient term of the law, [to call] the first
feria the "Lord's day," because on it the Lord rose
[from the dead], Moreover, the same pope decreed that the rest of the
Sabbath should be transferred rather to the Lord's day [Sunday], in
order that on that day we should rest from worldly works for the praise
of God.7
Note particularly, he says that "the same pope [Sylvester I]
decreed that the rest of the Sabbath should be transferred rather to
the Lord's day [Sunday]."8 According to this statement, he
was the first bishop to introduce the idea that the divinely appointed
rest of the Sabbath day should be transferred to the first day of the
week. This is significant, especially in view of the fact that it was
during Sylvester's pontificate that the emperor of Rome [Constantine]
issued the first civil laws compelling men to rest from secular labor
on Sunday, and that Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea, was the first
theologian on record to present arguments, allegedly from the
Scriptures, that Christ did transfer the rest of the Sabbath day to
Sunday.
6 Rabanus Maurus, Liber
de Computo (A book Concerning Computation), Chap. XXVII
("Concerning Festivals"), as translated by the writer from the Latin
text in Migne's Patrologia Latina, Vol. CVII, col. 682.
7 ------------, De
Clericorum Institutione (Concerning the Instruction of the
Clergymen), Book II, Chap. XLVI, as translated by the writer from the
Latin text in Migne's Patrologia Latina, Vol. CVII, col. 361.
8 The wording in the Latin text
reads: "Statuit autem idem papa ut otium Sabbati magis in diem
Dominicam transferretur, ut ea die a terrenis operibus ad laudandum
Deum vacaremus."
See also: Sunday In Roman Paganism, by Robert Leo
Odom, Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1944, pages
196-198.
(reference http://biblelight.net/sylvester-I.htm)
This pope and his profaning of the sabbath is further
celebrated by the pagan syncretism of the "christian church" on 31st
December when they ignorantly or willingly celebrate St
Sylvester's day. 31st December is the day he died AD 335.
The catholic church themselves admit that it was further made
law at the council of Laodicea in AD 364 as is clearly stated by their
own mouth:
“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?”
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.”
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?”
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic
Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the
solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter
Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine,
p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.
Is
Mohamed
a true prophet and the quran a "new revelation"?
Our discussion with a Muslim regarding shabbat reveals all.
After I stated on Youtube that
Mashiak (pw Messiah) did not come to
change the
Tor'rah (law) and that the Quran is definitely not a new revelation
that can be added to scripture, I received a reply from a Muslim by the
name of Haroon. He assumed I was a Jew, which I am not, and that I
followed Rabbi's ( perhaps because I referred to the To'rah which is
ironic since Rabbis do not follow To'rah but Talmud and Mishna which
corrupts Torah. I did
not get to explain that I am a Yahudi (worshiper of Yahuah) and His Son
Yah'ushua but our conversation continued as follows...
Haroon :
You
are partly on the right track. Yes Jesus pbuh said that he did not come
to change the law. and nether did Prophet Muhammud. pbuh. The Quran is
very clear that the Jews intefered with their texts making their own
changes.
The Quran also asks the muslims to enquire from the
jews about the sabbath. God Almighty had put the jews to a test of
faith. The fish by the command of God Almighty were plentiful on Friday
which was the sabbath but were not there on the Saturday so out of
greed and weakness of faith the sabbath was moved to Saturday so that
the fish could be caught on the Friday. Hence the sabbath was changed
by your Rabbis. So the information is available to muslims. As for food
God forbade you certain foods as chastisement for your wrong doings .
This is also in the Quran.
The original message in its pure form
as revealed to Moses pbuh as well as the pure revelation to Jesus pbuh
is confirmed by the Quran as coming from the same God Almighty that
revealed the Quran to Prophet Muhammud pbuh. The Quran also states that
all the prophets are ONE BROTHERHOOD but people have divided themselves
into sects. Your scholars have confirmed that you dont have the
original scriptures. As for the torah, it was lost when the jews were
in captivity in Babylon over a long period.What you have now are
Rabbinical writings with traces of the original revelation.
What
is unique by the grace of God Almighty is that the core essence of the
message of guidance and monotheism is there in both the current day
Torah as well as the Bible. Thus the Quran relates to these texts and
addresses you as people of the book. That is what you guys seem to miss
.There can be no new religion. If Jesus pbuh did not come to change the
laws of the torah then it stands to reason that there can be no
trinity. That is why trinity was absent from the Gospel and it is an
innovation.?
Me :
Dear
haroon, I will reply to your comments one at a time. So my first
question is :When is shabbat for Muslims, what time does it start and
end and what day is it? What is commanded to be done or not done on the
shabbat and what is the Muslim's understanding for the reason for a
shabbat command??
Haroon :
For
muslims the importance of friday as a day of sabbath is according to
quranic injunction. One is commanded to close ones business and stop
all activities and heed the call to midday prayers and the sermon . We
take special ablutions for this day and put on clean fresh garb and the
use of perfume is recommended . When the prayer is over we may go out
and seek the bounty of God Almighty and God is the best provider of
sustenance. Also this day is important as many events took place which
are important in religion. Adam ws created on this day . He entered
paradise on this day. He left paradise on this day to be placed on
earth.The end time will be on a friday so there are many important
events linked to this day. Also charity and prayer on this day holds
special rewards as one leaves ones ctivities and business transactions
to come to prayer for a period longer than the normal daily prayers
with complete trust in God Almighty that he is the best provider of
sustenance. It can also be a day of mass gathering where community
matters can be discussed and believers gather to bond. many benefits.?
Me:
Dear
haroon, thanks for your reply. I appreciate our conversation. It is not
often that I can talk with someone on this level without them becoming
abusive or foolish, thank you. I will try to keep our dialogue
streamlined so that we don’t have to digress into a million different
topics at the same time. So my next question is which day according to
Muslims does the Messiah Yah’ushua accept as the sabbath if at all?
Haroon :
A
Messiah is not given a choice as to which day he can decide to accept
the Sabbath. It is by the command and decree of the Almighty that
sabbath is established . The Quran was revealed as a universal book of
Guidance hence in many places it addresses mankind " ya ayyuhan naas"
mwening O mankind " Similarly Prophet Muhammud pbuh is also addressed
in the Quran as " a mercy unto creation " So being the final revelation
its universal . All the messengers of God Almighty are described as "
One Brotherhood" but it is people who have divided themselves into
sects. " Chapter 23 9f the Quran. So all messengers would follow the
same day of sabbath. It was people who made changes after the
messengers passed away. Further God Almighty states in the Quran that
the Quran is not a new mesage but a reminder and a confirmation of
previous scripture given to other messengers pbut. That is because it
emanates from one source, the One Almighty God who gave guidance to all
. The only fully preserved scriptural text we have currently is the
Quran which God Almighty said He would preserve from corruption because
it must serve to the end time . Had the previous scriptures been
preserved in its original revealed state then tthe followers of Moses
pbuh would have accepted Jesus because he Jesus pbuh confirmed the
revelation to Moses pbuh ( i have not come to change one jot of the
Law..The Torah. It would then follow that the followers of Jesus pbuh
would have no hesitation in Accepting Prophet Muhammud pbuh as foretold
in previous scriptures and as the message Prophet Muhammud pbuh brought
would be the same as the previous messengers as confirmed in the Quran.
It makes absolute sense. There is no question of superiority .?
By
shabbat i guess you meann sabbath. For muslims its Friday . The actual
24 hour cycle for a muslim starts at the early evening (maghrib)
prayers at sundown and ends the following just before sundown . Hence
you will know that the Friday prayers where muslims gather en masse
which is just after midday is the most important prayer of the week and
in many muslim countries, its a holiday very much like sunday which the
christians have chosen and the saturday that the jews have chosen.?
Me :
Dear
Haroon, thanks for the reply. You agree then that Messiah Yah'ushua is
subject to the correct sabbath day of To'rah as delivered by Moses and
written by the finger of Yah'uah Elohim , so again my question is what
day was that? If you are not sure is there any source that you have
Quranic or from the scriptures Genesis to Revelations that you could
point out??
Haroon :
It
is a historical fact that we dont have a Gospel according to God
Almighty as revealed to Jesus pbuh. What we have are the writings of
four unknown authors and letters of the self appointed Paul and
original GREEK scripts.
The language of the biblical lands
was Aramaic/Hebrew and not greek or latin. An attempt at preserving a
form of religion for christians devised by bishops and roman rulers has
resulted in the serious compromise of the religion .
A deviation
from true monotheism. The jews also lost their scripture and what we
have today is a rabbinic version of the Torah with huge discrepancies
and contradictions which has succeeded in turning the true teachings of
Moses pbuh and David pbuh into a self serving racist cult.
The
reason for the quran being protected in its purest form is because it
does not claim to be a new message but a confirmation and a rehearsal
of previous scripture in their original form. So it validates the
mission of all the Abrahamic prophets pbut and particularly of Abraham
pbuh,
Moses pbuh, and Jesus pbuh who were the major messengers
and culminating in the messengership of Prophet Muhammud pbuh. In
chapter 23 of the Quran, Allah s w t says, "All the messengers are one
brotherhood but people have divided themselves into sects. " The coming
and finality of prophethood of Prophet Muhammud pbuh was foretold in
both the Torah and Gospel In the Torah he is referred to by name and in
the gospel he is referred to as the comforter. But it has been
prejudice that has prevented the doctors of divinity from confirming
this. Its just pure logic that if there is only One God then we all
should be on the same page.
Me :
Dear Haroon thank
you. Now I read in chapter 23 the Quran states
Those
who, from awe of their Lord, are fearful. 58 And those who believe in
their Lord's Verses. ...61 It is they who race towards goodness. It is
they who will reach it first.
Now if I have the ancient books
Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy of Moshe (Moses) and I share those verses
of Yah’uah (pagan catholic word -Lord) with you will you be in awe and
fearful and believe what they say or will you tell me Surah Jummua
takes preference over the verses of Yah’uah?
I am presenting
you now what the To'rah WRITTEN by the finger of Yah'uah on Mount Sinai
( Jebal al-Lawz)and REWRITTEN again by Moses when the people were
worshipping the golden calf. Thus far you have been kind enough to
provide me with some information. You gave me some hearsay information
regarding Rabbis and the sabbath and some small references to sabbath (
shabbat ) in the Quran with a Chapter heading referrring to the Friday
the sixth day. You have not been able to tell me as a Muslim what day
Mashiak ( pw Messiah) accepts as the sabbath in accordance with To'rah.
So here is the WRITTEN To'rah quoted for you :
[pw=pagan word]
Exo 20:8
“Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart. Exo 20:9
“Six days you labour, and shall do all your work, Exo
20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath* of יהוה your
Elohim.
You
do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your
male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your
stranger who is within your gates. Exo 20:11 “For
in six
days יהוה made the shamayim (pw heavens) and the
world (pw earth), the
sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore יהוה barak'd (pw blessed) the Sabbath day and
set it apart.
[*-note There are other Sabbaths, but this is the weekly Sabbath.]
Could
you comment on how this relates to the Muslim or the Quran and how you
plan to come into unity with the To'rah as written here? Thanks. I am
aware of other Quranic verses but I will let you speak from your own
heart and understanding of them for now.?
Haroon :
The
week starts on saturday so the sabbath falls on the friday. The days
start at the early evening prayers which is at sunset so after sunset
is a new day. We follow the Gregorian calendar for convenience purposes
but you have to understand that the gregorian calendar is associated
with paganism which i am sure you are aware of. We are of the Abrahamic
religions.We do nnot have the revelation as given by God Almighty to
Moses pbuh. We have traces of it just like the Gospel . But again i
reiterate that the Quran confirms the revelations given to Moses pbuh
and Jesus pbuh. So for example when neo atheists attack the person of
Moses pbuh and Jesus pbuh as being imagined personalities then the
Quran defende their mission, their person and their dignity as noble
messengers of God Almighty. And yes i did tell you what day the
Prophets accepted as Sabbath and that is Friday. Or else God Almighty
would not have told us in the Quran to ask them about the sabbath and
how the jews changed it. It says '"ask their doctors of divinity" So
there is no ambiguity. There is One God Almighty and His message to all
the messengers would be absolutely consistent . Being consistent would
then mean that at the finality of Prophethood, the final messenger
would be recognised as a true messenger because the message would be
the same and a fulfilling of the prophecy of previous messengers as to
the coming of the final Messenger. Thus we would all be united in
belief and one body of believers. Its logical conclusion to serve until
end times. Sabbath for all prophets would be same.?
Me:
Dear Haroon
It
is clear then that you do not hold the To’rah in awe as your Quran
commands you to since you do not accept the commanded day of the
seventh day as shabbat and have claimed that the Rabbis have changed
it. I do not follow Rabbi’s /Gregorian calendar for keeping appointed
times of Yah’uah. I only follow the prophets and Mashiak Yah’ushua and
the apostles who all stick to To’rah. Here is what the Rabbis say
concerning their answer to the Muslims when they ask about the shabbat
it seems different to what you have stated earlier concerning “fish”
“Question:
In
the Bible it says to rest on the seventh day of the week, because G-d
created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. Today
Christians rest on Sunday, Muslims rest on Friday, and Jews rest on
Saturday. How do you know that you are celebrating on the right day?
Answer:
Your very question was dealt with by the Midrash Rabbah, a compilation
close to 2,000 years old.
We
were first commanded to keep Shabbat in the desert shortly after we
left Egypt. How did we know when to keep it? In Exodus 16, we are told
that during our journey in the desert, manna fell every day except for
one—the Shabbat. So what did we eat then? A double portion fell every
Friday so that we would have what to eat the next day as well. On the
first Friday after the manna began to fall, the people were surprised
to see so much manna—double that which they had received on each of the
past five days. When they came to ask Moses about this phenomenon, he
revealed that the next day would be the Shabbat and that no manna would
fall at all.
The actual wording of G-d's message to Moses and the
Jewish People is "See that G-d has given to you the Shabbat." The
Midrash points out that the word used is "see" and not "know." It
explains:
This is what G-d was saying to them: "If the idolaters
will come to you and ask, 'Why do you make the Shabbat day on this
day?' you will tell them, 'See, the manna does not fall on the
Shabbat.'"
For the next 40 years we had a weekly reminder of the
Shabbat every time the manna did not fall. Since then, we have
continued to keep count and will continue to do so for the rest of time.
Rabbi
Yehuda Halevi in his 12th century classic, "The Kuzari," points to an
earlier source for the universally accepted week. He points to the
striking fact that the vast majority of the world keeps a seven-day
week—evidence that this must be a very ancient custom indeed. How did
it begin? When Adam was banished from Eden on the first Friday
afternoon of Creation, he rested that first Shabbat. He then counted
six days and again rested on the seventh. Ever since, his offspring in
many parts of the world have emulated this practice, living their lives
by a seven-day week.” reference chabad.org
If the Rabbis had
changed the sabbath day Ha Mashiak Yah’ushua would have rebuked them
and corrected it there and then since he came to preach the To’rah
fully and restore it as prophesied by Isaiah.
Isa_42:21 YAH’UAH is well pleased for his righteousness'
sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
His
Son Yah’ushua was not concerned at all at any time with the day of
shabbat as it was being kept on the seventh day (friday sunset to
Saturday sunset) as commanded and as it is being today. He was only
concerned with HOW it was being kept. Yah’ushua has been appointed
Master of the shabbat by his Father so he would certainly have made it
known loudly that they were keeping it on the wrong day and there would
have been a division over the day and he would have been put to death
over that but he was not!
The scriptures tell us that Yah'uah
rested on the seventh day and we are to rest as he did on the seventh
day. You are saying that we are to rest on the sixth day. Do we listen
to you or to Yah'uah??
Haroon :
Where
did i say sixth day. You havent read what i wrote properly. I said the
week begins on Sat and ends on fri so friday would be the last day of
the week making it the seventh day. I also explained to you when the
day starts. Now coming to scripture. Is the Midrash the Torah as
revelaled to Moses pbuh. You are relying on Rabbinical writings and
presenting it as Torah. That cannot be right. Scholars of judaism and
christianity have already reserched this topic extensively and hve
stated that The Torah is no more and all we have are Rabbinical
writings. It is the same with the Talmud which has gained notoririetary
for its content . This has been lamented by many scholars. The gospel
has suffered the same fate. However the Quran has confirmed the
validity Of what was revealed to Moses pbuh and Jesus pbuh. This
confirms the validity of their Messengership and the ORIGINAL pure
revelations. Are those previous revelations in existence, no , .
Furthermore , Why would the Quran want to change the Sabbath of the
Jews or Christians. The Sabbath of the Christians being a Sunday has
already been agreed by many biblical historians,to be pagan derived
from the pagan roman religion of Mithraism. This was more for political
reasons. As for jews, i think your own Rabbis will in secret concede
and in fact some have done it openly , that the jews have proven
themselves in history to be the most contentious and the most
rebellious of the believing peoples. The biggest indictment is the fact
they regressesd to worshiping the golden calf after being delivered
from bondage. So the story of the changing of the Sabbath sounds
extremely credible .
The believers are asked to question the
jewish bretheren about the changing of the sabbath. Strangely your
narrative of the Manna and the version of the fish is very similar.
Food for thought. The further mistakes of the Rabbis post Babylon is
the racism and exceptionalism and exclusivity they gave to jews in
their text has turned the pure teachings of Moses pbuh into a self
serving cult.
You WERE chosen people not for a self serving
agenda but to lead mankind on the path of righteousness and truth .
Your rebeliousness lost you that position. The Quran is very clear that
the jews were given several chances and they failed
consistently.Knowing that Usury was forbidden, for example, the jews
particularly have turned compounded interest on money lending into a
money making institution. The Quran is the only religious text which is
universal by divine claim and vowed to protection from corruption. This
has stood firm over the 1435 . It further confirms the previous pure
revelations so it stands as a valid document for all people who believe
in God Almghty
Me :
Dear
Haroon what you are saying is that the Rabbis moved the week forward by
one whole day, from Fridy to Saturday. Now if you are referring to
scholars looking at this then that is from the world perspective and
from the world’s acceptance of which day is the last day of the week.
Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary
“Saturday- The seventh and last day of the week, the Jewish sabbath”
Now
that we have established that the world accepts the Saturday as the
last day of the week by its very definition, then it is the same day
that Yah’uah rested and the same day we must rest as commanded in
To’rah and the same day Yah’ushua kept in line with the Pharisees (
rabbis of the day ) without any friction or rebuke or change. You are
aware that Rome accepted Saturday as the seventh day of the week in
Yah’ushua’s time and Constantine’s time with his evil syncretism and
you are aware that the catholic church knows the sabbath is Saturday
and moved it to what is called the first day of the week SUNday and
brags about it.
In the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A.
We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in
the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from
Saturday to Sunday….
—Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50.
So 300 something years before Quran Saturday was still the Sabbath day
for us who keep To’rah.
Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary - Sunday the FIRST day of the week, the
Christian sabbath.
You
are aware that if the Yahudim ( Jews) were to paganise the
sabbath they would have opted for SUN worship since that is what they
kept whoring after, That is what was worshipped in Sinai with the
golden calf ( BAAL) and that is what was in Babylon. The catholic
church whores after the same Baal SUN worship and thus it is SUN day
they keep to venerate the SUN. The pagan Jews still worship the sun and
Rome ( Babylon) today by facing the EAST when praying at their idol of
stone, the Western Wall or Wailing wall (Roman Fort Antonia remains).
This is in direct 180 degree rebellion. Yah’uah has said they were to
have their backs to the east, thus not worshiping the rising sun as the
pagans do.
I am quite aware of the Christians profaning the
shabbat of the seventh day. Let us focus on the Quran and Muslims for
now. But I will say this, moving the sabbath to a different day is one
thing but moving the week is not possible. This did not even happen
when the catholics brought in their calendar around the world. The
seven day cycle has not been interrupted in the history of mankind.
Saturday is defined as the seventh day.
You will know that the
Rabbis are not ashamed of their blatant disrespect for the To’rah. YOU
WILL NOTE IT IS THE TO’RAH that remains as a living witness against the
Rabbis so why would you say it has been changed by them? In fact this
is the reason we know it is inpsired of Yah’uah since it remains an
honest account showing those who obeyed and those who disobeyed. It
shows the successes and failures of Israel according to their keeping
of To’rah. It is not a politcal propoganda. The same applies to the
Good Message (wrongly named Gospel from pagan godspell). The very
people who wanted to withold the book of Revelations the catholic
/christian Vatican is the book which exposes them as the
Antimessiah system, the whore of Babylon. So you cannot tell me that
the Good Message has not been ordained by Yah’uah in the same way as
the To’rah which exposes Talmudic Judaism. They will teach that their
oral laws Talmud and Midrash were ADDED thus we know that To’rah is
intact as the WRITTEN law of Yah’uah to Moses and us
BEFORE TALMUD
AND MIDRASH were ADDED by them. The rabbis NEVER tell you they changed
the To’rah but they DO tell you they have the “right” to overide the
To’rah using their evil Talmud and Midrash traditions etcetera
etcetera. The same applies to the pope he is not ashamed to say he
overides the SEVENTH DAY sabbath. He accepts the To’rah as unchanged
but that he has changed it with his own tradition. So we do not throw
away To’rah we throw away the Vatican and Judaism and any religion
which changed To’rah.
So when you say the To’rah has been
changed by them you are mistaken. Yes they have fiddled with the name
of the creator over 6000 times and small things but these things are
reliably restored due to the numerous copies of the texts as opposed to
the Quran which has only two texts I think, and the oldest which is
different (having word changes within it) to the more recent one,
making small changes such as “virgins in paradise” versus “a bunch of
grapes” etcetera but if I were to say that the whole of the Quran
cannot be accepted as being written by somebody because it is different
here or there that would be absurd ( whether I believe in it or not )
it is a piece of work written by an author/s and accepted as such.
You
cannot say that the ten commandments have been changed (Exodus
20!!!???) That is absurd!!! No biblical scholar that I know of has ever
said such a thing. The entire world accepts the ten commandments as a
complete work by the author and everybody knows shabbat is the seventh
day ( Saturday). Even the apostles met on the shabbat (same day).
Thus
the rabbis use their Talmud and Midrash to try and make the To’rah void
or add to it or diminish it but the To’rah remains as the witness
against them as they do that, else what witness would we have against
them, what witness would you have against them? Your Quran was written
600 AD, to what does it relate other than the existing To’rah as the
witness against them? You have just used the torah stating “The biggest
indictment is the fact they regressesd to worshiping the golden calf
after being delivered from bondage.”
If you do not accept the
TO’rah as reliable then why quote it here as a witness against them?
What assures you that the golden calf story is not hearsay?
So
you cannot say it is not accurate and use it as a witness against them.
That is like using an unreliable witness in court to prove your
case. It was what Messiah used against them and it is quoted
by
him, it is the To’rah. It is not the Quran, it is the TO’rah that
remains that is the witness by which you can only judge. It is the
To’rah by which we judge one another not TALMUD, MIDRASH, HEARSAY OR
THE QURAN IT IS TO’RAH. To’rah states what happens when you do not keep
the sabbath properly.
Exo 31:12
And יהוה spoke to Mosheh, saying, Exo
31:13 “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’?l, saying,
‘My
Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign between Me
and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting
you apart. Also see Eze_20:12
and Eze_20:20. Exo
31:14 ‘And you shall guard the Sabbath, for it is set-apart
to
you. Everyone who profanes it shall CERTAINLY BE PUT TO DEATH, for
anyone who does work on it, that being shall be cut off from among his
people. Exo
31:15 ‘Six days work is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath
of
rest, set-apart to יהוה. EVERYONE DOING WORK ON THE SABBATH DAY SHALL
CERTAINLY BE PUT TO DEATH. Exo
31:16 ‘And the children of Yisra’?l shall guard the Sabbath,
to
perform the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting
covenant. Exo
31:17 ‘Between Me and the children of Yisra’?l it is a sign
forever. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, and on
the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ” Exo
31:18 And when He had ended speaking with him on Mount Sinai,
He
gave Mosheh two tablets of the Witness, tablets of stone, WRITTEN WITH
THE FINGER OF ELOHIM.
Israel is largely pagan today yet
they still have their land since they keep shabbat on the right day. If
they wilfuly changed the day surely they would all be dead by now. They
are in fact paranoid over the sabbath keeping for this very fact and
the adding of traditions originally was there to hedge the people in to
keep the sabbath and not profane it for fear of death etc. This
legalism however added 39 oral traditions which made it a burden
instead of a delight to the people. This is what Yah’ushua came to
rectify. It was not the day but the way it was kept that was and is
wrong.
The rabbis oppose the To’rah with other writings and
traditions, they do not change the TO’RAH since that would not have
been possible since it would have been quickly discovered as the many
copies by the scribes would have been different and a forgery would
have been quickly discovered. The scribes had to copy word for word,
letter by letter, If they made a mistake on the page the whole page had
to be thrown away and rewritten.
I still have not had any valid reference from you concerning your quote
which included :
“...The fish by the command of God Almighty were plentiful on Friday
which was the sabbath but were not there on the Saturday”
Now
you would agree that if you are stating something that Yah’uah
COMMANDED here and you have no reference from the ancient book on that,
or otherwise, then it is hearsay and Yah’uah finds it an extremely
blasphemous evil when Words are put in his mouth which he has not said
nor commanded, would you agree? That is adding to his commandments to
which he has stated
Deu 12:32
What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add
thereto, nor diminish from it.
Apostle Shimon: 2Pe 2:1
But there were false
prophets
also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you,
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying Yah’ushua
that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction
So
please Haroon, please supply the author of these statements with the
time of origin so we can place your quote somewhere in the timeline and
go from there. I cannot work on hearsay.
