Exo
20:8-11
“Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart. “Six
days
you labour, and shall do all your work, but the seventh
day is
a Sabbath of יהוה your Elohim. You
do not do any
work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor
your
male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor
your stranger
who is within your gates. “For
in six
days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and
all that is in
them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore
יהוה
blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.
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There is only one
weekly day of rest
which is recognised and which will be kept under Yahuah's reign and
covenant and in shamayim (pw heaven) and that is the shabbat - the
seventh day, not a SUNday of Friday
Isa
56:6 Also the
sons of the STRANGER (goyim / heathens/ gentiles) , that join
themselves to YAHUAH to serve him, and to love the name of YAHUAH* , to
be his servants, every one that keepeth
the sabbath from
polluting it, and
taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa
56:7 Even them will I bring to my morally ordained mountain,
and
make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their
offerings shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be
called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.
Isa
66:23 And it
shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another,
shall all
flesh come to worship before me, saith YAHUAH.
How did they get to SUNday from the Sabbath? A brother
explains in a nice short video who changed the Sabbath:
Over 5 hours of video where we challenge American Charismatic Preacher
"BISHOP" TD Jakes on his Anti-Sabbath "sermon"
We must
remember that "Bishop" is a pagan term not in the scriptures
and that it was this same pagan order that tried to replace the sabbath
with SUNday worship in the beginning.
The "Christian Church" claims that they have scriptural basis for
replacing the sabbath with SUNday worship and many deny that they are
bowing to the catholic church with this idolatry. Many of them deny
that it was the pope who changed the day. However history says
otherwise:
Pope Sylvester I (314-335
A.D.)
Decrees the Transfer of Sabbath Rest to Sunday:
Rabanus Maurus (776-856), abbot of Fulda and later archbishop of Mainz,
Germany, was rated one of the greatest theologians of his age and
probably the most cultured man of his time [oh dear what
deception ], and
exceptionally learned
in patristics. Besides, he was a zealous defender of the papacy and its
teachings. In one of his works, he says,
Pope Sylvester
instructed the clergy to keep the feriae.
And, indeed, from an old custom
he called the first day [of the week]
the "Lord's [day]," on which the light was made in the beginning and
also the resurrection of Christ is celebrated.6
Rabanus
Maurus does not mean to say that Sylvester was the
first man who referred to the days of the week as feriae or who
first started the observance of Sunday among Christians. He means that,
according to the testimony of Roman Catholic writers, Sylvester
confirmed those practices and made them official insofar as his church
was concerned. Hence Rabanus says elsewhere in his writings:
Pope Sylvester first
among the Romans ordered that the names
of the days [of the week], which they previously called after the name
of their gods, that is, [the day] of the Sun, [the day] of the Moon,
[the day] of Mars, [the day] of Mercury, [the day] of Jupiter, [the
day] of Venus, [the day] of Saturn, they should call feriae
thereafter, that is the first feria, the second feria, the
third feria, the fourth feria, the fifth feria, the
sixth feria, because that in the beginning of Genesis it is
written that God said concerning each day: on the first, "Let there be
light:; on the second, "Let there be a firmament"; on the third, "Let
the earth bring forth verdure"; etc. But he [Sylvester] ordered [them]
to call the Sabbath by the ancient term of the law, [to call] the first
feria the "Lord's day," because on it the Lord rose
[from the dead], Moreover, the same pope decreed that the rest of the
Sabbath should be transferred rather to the Lord's day [Sunday], in
order that on that day we should rest from worldly works for the praise
of God.7
Note particularly, he says that
"the same pope [Sylvester I]
decreed that the rest of the Sabbath should be transferred rather to
the Lord's day [Sunday]."8 According to this
statement, he
was the first bishop to introduce the idea that the divinely appointed
rest of the Sabbath day should be transferred to the first day of the
week. This is significant, especially in view of the fact that it was
during Sylvester's pontificate that the emperor of Rome [Constantine]
issued the first civil laws compelling men to rest from secular labor
on Sunday, and that Eusebius, bishop of Caesarea, was the first
theologian on record to present arguments, allegedly from the
Scriptures, that Christ did transfer the rest of the Sabbath day to
Sunday.
6
Rabanus Maurus, Liber de
Computo (A book Concerning Computation), Chap. XXVII
("Concerning
Festivals"), as translated by the writer from the Latin text in Migne's
Patrologia Latina, Vol. CVII, col. 682.
7
------------, De Clericorum
Institutione (Concerning the Instruction of the Clergymen),
Book
II, Chap. XLVI, as translated by the writer from the Latin text in
Migne's Patrologia Latina, Vol. CVII, col. 361.
8 The
wording in the Latin text
reads: "Statuit autem idem papa ut otium Sabbati magis in diem
Dominicam transferretur, ut ea die a terrenis operibus ad laudandum
Deum vacaremus."
See
also: Sunday In Roman Paganism, by Robert Leo
Odom, Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1944, pages 196-198.
(reference http://biblelight.net/sylvester-I.htm)
This pope and his profaning of the sabbath is further
celebrated by the pagan syncretism of the "Christian church" on 31st
December when they ignorantly or willingly celebrate St
Sylvester's day. 31st December is the day he died AD 335.
The
Catholic Church themselves admit that it was further made
law at the council of Laodicea in AD 364 as is clearly stated by their
own mouth:
“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?”
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.”
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?”
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic
Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the
solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter
Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic
Doctrine,
p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.
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Baptist Pastor tries to dodge Gentile and Jewish believers
keeping the sabbath together. Gets himself trapped into a
corner
I
always thought that there was a distinction from Shabbat and the Lord’s
Day.
As
Yeshua rose and revealed himself to his disciples on the first day of
the week (8th day) (Matthew 28:1 Mark 16:2,9 Luke 24:1 John 20:1,19) I
always thought that was the reason for Messianic Goyim to worship on
the first day rather than on Shabbat, because Yeshua did after his
resurrection.
Thoughts? 💭
Our
Answer:
Yahushua
was already risen before the first day. He was in the grave three days
and three nights and rose shabbat ending (Roman Saturday sunset) ie. he
rose seventh day but was seen again after the shabbat BECAUSE Miryam
postponed his body preparation BECAUSE of the shabbat and returned
thereafter.
No such thing as "Good Friday" if you
calculate when he was put to death correctly his resurrection is on the
shabbat ending.
There
is no "Lord's" day. Correctly translated it is the Day of
YAHUAH
יהוה (pagan translation from OT would be LORD's day - ie YHUH
יהוה day) which has nothing to do with Shabbat and everything to do
with the judgment of YAHUAH on the last day as revealed to Yahuchanon
(John) in revelations in a vision confirming what the prophets spoke
about.
I do not subscribe to any 8th day. There is
no such thing
in the scriptures. As you yourself quoted all the verses speak of the
first day of the week he [Yahushua] was revealed.
But
Yahuah purifies us on the SEVENTH day as he said in Exodus and He did
that through His Son YAHUSHUA's body in that with all his Torah
transgressions taken upon him he did not see corruption - his Father
purified him and raised him to life.
8th day
nonsense is from
mysticism also seen in many cults eg Rabbinic Judaism / Gnosticism etc.
The 8 on its side is supposed to be infinity etc.
The
seventh day shabbat is not specifically a command about a "worship"
day but about resting from our labours to earn bread but of
course worship follows from it. Why I say that is because I get a lot
of people telling me
"sabbath is everyday, we worship every day".
Then I
have to ask them if they and there servants are then resting every day.
They pervert and forget the WORDS OF YAHUAH.
I
have done a whole series exposing this so-called 'eternal
sabbath' (8th day ) allegedly replacing the real weekly sabbath. It is
by another agent of Rome , TD Jakes. Ironically it is part "8" of my 10
part series, haha. TD Jakes Sabbath Doctrine Exposed Part 8
https://youtu.be/kEQPbMYlxXM
HIs Reply:
Hmm, I see, what are your
thoughts on the Epistle of Barnabas?
“Further,
He says to them, “Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure.” Ye
perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me,
but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all
things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a
beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day
with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead.
And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens.”
(The Epistle of Barnabas Chapter
15. [A.D. 74]).
Plus I always wondered why
circumcision is on the 8th day and not the 7th, any thoughts?
Our Answer:
The
epistle of Barnabas is pseudepigrapha. Its unscriptural dogma is
blatantly obvious. The pagan "Church fathers" of the Catholicus
cult would of course ensdorse it being the ones who denied
the
sabbath eg Origen and practised the transubstantiation cult upon which
the Catholic church runs 24/7 and exalts on Christ Mass as per their
solar invented calendar 25 December to SUN god Ra.
Transubstantiation
- How Low Can You
Go?https://truerevival.yolasite.com/transubstantiation-how-low-can-you-go.php
What
I perceive is that "Barnabas" pretends that Elohim is prophesising some
new commandment which replaces the weekly sabbath. This neonomianism
(new law) is just another form of antinomianism (lawlessness) replaced
with the Fides godess (faith) [see Sunday
Worship Terms-Faith. If you break one law you break all of
Torah so don't.
Mat
5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law
[Torah] or the
Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill
them. Mat
5:18 For truly, I say to you, until shamayim (pw heaven) and
earth
pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law [Torah] until
all is accomplished. Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever
relaxes one of the
least of these commandments [Torah] and teaches others to do the same
will be called least in the kingdom of shamayim (pw heaven), but
whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom
of shamayim (pw heaven). Mat 5:20 For I tell you,
unless your
righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never
enter the kingdom of shamayim (pw heaven)."
Barnabas: " I shall make a beginning of
the eighth day,"
Another day????? NO!
Heb
4:8 For if JOSHUA /YAHUSHUA (pw Jesus) had given them rest,
then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb
4:9 There REMAINETH therefore a rest [GREEK:
SABBATISMOS =sabbath keeping)to the people of Elohim (pw God).
Yes,
no
such prophesy exists in the OT. In fact on the contrary the weekly
sabbath and new moons are prophesised by Isaiah as being kept in the
future by all nations who worship Yahuah.
Isa
66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to
another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to
worship before me, saith YAHUAH.
We are
told not to let any MAN judge us regarding keeping Yahuah's sabbaths as
they foreshadow the body of Mashiach.
Barnabas would
be such a MAN and so would Origen who reject Yahuah's commands.
Thus
this "Barnabas" shall undoubtedly be put to death at the judgment for
his false prophecy and making Isaiah appear a liar (unless he repented
and made amends of which we will never know).
Further,
for
those who follow such lies, Yahuah has said, whoever adds or
takes away from the WRITTEN Torah will receive the plagues which have
already begun as Yahushua warned in HIS PROPHECY in Revelations.
I warned of the plagues in 2018 already. Many laughed and said I would
not stop them eating their bacon then a couple of weeks later
listeriosis killed 100s mainly form pork then came COVID an escalation
from the Swine Flu (H1N1).
Listeriosis - Pork To Eat Or Not To Eat .
China
continues to eat pig : fresh and frozen pork stock piles and the people
are now 90% infected again. Remember that China rewrote the bible to
fit with CCP just prior as well. The West has been doing the same by
way of false teachers
.
The weekly sabbath
has never been referred to as "YOUR sabbaths"
Exo
31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying,
Verily
MY sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you
throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am YAHUAH that
doth purify (pw sanctify) you.
But
Yahuah does refer to the sabbath of Atonement as "your sabbath."
Lev
23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall
afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even
unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
The
day of
atonement sabbath is for us a day of fasting (afflicting the soul) once
a year as opposed to the weekly sabbath which is a feast day.
Yahuah reprimanded His people for the wrong WAY they kept the Day of
Atonement. This has nothing to do with any of these days being done
away with by Yahuah. Note the ninth day here is another thing
that has been elevated by cults - Rabbinic Judaism etc. via
gematria a nonscriptural practise.
It has been noted
by medical
practitioners that circumcision on the 8th day is the best day
physiologically for fast healing. Thus Yahuah in his infinite wisdom
probably advised it so. This is highlighted when we see the pain and
suffering of ADULT males who were circumcised in OT account.
As
to your 8th Day curiosity, I can only tell you to avoid it as these are
most likely its ugly divisive roots:
"Many
may be unaware that some hold to the idea of both a 6th and an 8th day
creation of man. They insist with resolute determination that the
non-white races were “created” by the Almighty on the 6th day, and that
Adam-man was “formed” on the 8th day, though nowhere in Scripture is an
8th day creation alluded to. Some go so far as to advocate that not
only were there two separate creations of man, but also two distinctly
different creators, (1) Elohim and (2) Yahweh."
Is Mohamed a true
prophet and the quran a "new
revelation" ?
Our
discussion with a Muslim regarding the shabbat / sabbath reveals all.
He vanishes without a reply when we confront him with the "ancient
book" , the Word of Elohim the scriptures.
After I stated
on Youtube that
Mashiak (pw Messiah) did not
come to
change the Tor'rah (law) and that the Quran is definitely not a new
revelation that can be added to scripture, I received a reply from a
Muslim by the name of Haroon. He assumed I was a Jew, which I am not,
and that I followed Rabbi's ( perhaps because I referred to the To'rah
which is ironic since Rabbis do not follow To'rah but Talmud and Mishna
which corrupts Torah. I did not get to explain that I am a Yahudi
(worshiper of Yahuah) and His Son Yah'ushua but our conversation
continued as follows...
Haroon :
You
are partly on the right track. Yes Jesus pbuh said that he did not come
to change the law. and nether did Prophet Muhammud. pbuh. The Quran is
very clear that the Jews intefered with their texts making their own
changes.
The Quran also asks the muslims to enquire from the jews about the
sabbath. God Almighty had put the jews to a test of faith. The fish by
the command of God Almighty were plentiful on Friday which was the
sabbath but were not there on the Saturday so out of greed and weakness
of faith the sabbath was moved to Saturday so that the fish could be
caught on the Friday. Hence the sabbath was changed by your Rabbis. So
the information is available to muslims. As for food God forbade you
certain foods as chastisement for your wrong doings . This is also in
the Quran.
The original message in its pure form as revealed to Moses pbuh as well
as the pure revelation to Jesus pbuh is confirmed by the Quran as
coming from the same God Almighty that revealed the Quran to Prophet
Muhammud pbuh. The Quran also states that all the prophets are ONE
BROTHERHOOD but people have divided themselves into sects. Your
scholars have confirmed that you dont have the original scriptures. As
for the torah, it was lost when the jews were in captivity in Babylon
over a long period.What you have now are Rabbinical writings with
traces of the original revelation.
What is unique by the grace of God Almighty is that the core essence of
the message of guidance and monotheism is there in both the current day
Torah as well as the Bible. Thus the Quran relates to these texts and
addresses you as people of the book. That is what you guys seem to miss
.There can be no new religion. If Jesus pbuh did not come to change the
laws of the torah then it stands to reason that there can be no
trinity. That is why trinity was absent from the Gospel and it is an
innovation.?
Our Answer:
Dear haroon, I
will
reply to your comments one at a time. So my first question is :When is
shabbat for Muslims, what time does it start and end and what day is
it? What is commanded to be done or not done on the shabbat and what is
the Muslim's understanding for the reason for a shabbat command??
Haroon :
For
muslims the importance of friday as a day of sabbath is according to
quranic injunction. One is commanded to close ones business and stop
all activities and heed the call to midday prayers and the sermon . We
take special ablutions for this day and put on clean fresh garb and the
use of perfume is recommended . When the prayer is over we may go out
and seek the bounty of God Almighty and God is the best provider of
sustenance. Also this day is important as many events took place which
are important in religion. Adam ws created on this day . He entered
paradise on this day. He left paradise on this day to be placed on
earth.The end time will be on a friday so there are many important
events linked to this day. Also charity and prayer on this day holds
special rewards as one leaves ones ctivities and business transactions
to come to prayer for a period longer than the normal daily prayers
with complete trust in God Almighty that he is the best provider of
sustenance. It can also be a day of mass gathering where community
matters can be discussed and believers gather to bond. many benefits.?
Our Answer:
Dear
haroon, thanks for your reply. I appreciate our conversation. It is not
often that I can talk with someone on this level without them becoming
abusive or foolish, thank you. I will try to keep our dialogue
streamlined so that we don’t have to digress into a million different
topics at the same time. So my next question is which day according to
Muslims does the Messiah Yah’ushua accept as the sabbath if at all?
Haroon :
A
Messiah is not given a choice as to which day he can decide to accept
the Sabbath. It is by the command and decree of the Almighty that
sabbath is established . The Quran was revealed as a universal book of
Guidance hence in many places it addresses mankind " ya ayyuhan naas"
mwening O mankind " Similarly Prophet Muhammud pbuh is also addressed
in the Quran as " a mercy unto creation " So being the final revelation
its universal . All the messengers of God Almighty are described as "
One Brotherhood" but it is people who have divided themselves into
sects. " Chapter 23 9f the Quran. So all messengers would follow the
same day of sabbath. It was people who made changes after the
messengers passed away. Further God Almighty states in the Quran that
the Quran is not a new mesage but a reminder and a confirmation of
previous scripture given to other messengers pbut. That is because it
emanates from one source, the One Almighty God who gave guidance to all
. The only fully preserved scriptural text we have currently is the
Quran which God Almighty said He would preserve from corruption because
it must serve to the end time . Had the previous scriptures been
preserved in its original revealed state then tthe followers of Moses
pbuh would have accepted Jesus because he Jesus pbuh confirmed the
revelation to Moses pbuh ( i have not come to change one jot of the
Law..The Torah. It would then follow that the followers of Jesus pbuh
would have no hesitation in Accepting Prophet Muhammud pbuh as foretold
in previous scriptures and as the message Prophet Muhammud pbuh brought
would be the same as the previous messengers as confirmed in the Quran.
It makes absolute sense. There is no question of superiority .?
By shabbat i guess you
meann sabbath. For muslims its Friday . The actual 24 hour cycle for a
muslim starts at the early evening (maghrib) prayers at sundown and
ends the following just before sundown . Hence you will know that the
Friday prayers where muslims gather en masse which is just after midday
is the most important prayer of the week and in many muslim countries,
its a holiday very much like sunday which the christians have chosen
and the saturday that the jews have chosen.?
Our
Answer:
Dear Haroon, thanks for the reply. You agree then that Messiah
Yah'ushua is subject to the correct sabbath day of To'rah as delivered
by Moses and written by the finger of Yah'uah Elohim , so again my
question is what day was that? If you are not sure is there any source
that you have Quranic or from the scriptures Genesis to Revelations
that you could point out??
Haroon
:
It
is a
historical fact that we dont have a Gospel according to God Almighty as
revealed to Jesus pbuh. What we have are the writings of four unknown
authors and letters of the self appointed Paul and original GREEK
scripts.
The language of the biblical lands was Aramaic/Hebrew and not greek or
latin. An attempt at preserving a form of religion for christians
devised by bishops and roman rulers has resulted in the serious
compromise of the religion .
A deviation from true monotheism. The jews also lost their scripture
and what we have today is a rabbinic version of the Torah with huge
discrepancies and contradictions which has succeeded in turning the
true teachings of Moses pbuh and David pbuh into a self serving racist
cult.
The reason for the quran being protected in its purest form is because
it does not claim to be a new message but a confirmation and a
rehearsal of previous scripture in their original form. So it validates
the mission of all the Abrahamic prophets pbut and particularly of
Abraham pbuh,
Moses pbuh, and Jesus pbuh who were the major messengers and
culminating in the messengership of Prophet Muhammud pbuh. In chapter
23 of the Quran, Allah s w t says, "All the messengers are one
brotherhood but people have divided themselves into sects. " The coming
and finality of prophethood of Prophet Muhammud pbuh was foretold in
both the Torah and Gospel In the Torah he is referred to by name and in
the gospel he is referred to as the comforter. But it has been
prejudice that has prevented the doctors of divinity from confirming
this. Its just pure logic that if there is only One God then we all
should be on the same page.
Me :
Dear Haroon thank
you. Now I read in
chapter 23 the Quran states
Those who, from awe of their Lord, are fearful. 58 And those who
believe in their Lord's Verses. ...61 It is they who race towards
goodness. It is they who will reach it first.
Now if I have the ancient books Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy of Moshe
(Moses) and I share those verses of Yah’uah (pagan catholic word -Lord)
with you will you be in awe and fearful and believe what they say or
will you tell me Surah Jummua takes preference over the verses of
Yah’uah?
I am presenting you now what the To'rah WRITTEN by the finger of
Yah'uah on Mount Sinai ( Jebal al-Lawz)and REWRITTEN again by Moses
when the people were worshipping the golden calf. Thus far you have
been kind enough to provide me with some information. You gave me some
hearsay information regarding Rabbis and the sabbath and some small
references to sabbath ( shabbat ) in the Quran with a Chapter heading
referrring to the Friday the sixth day. You have not been able to tell
me as a Muslim what day Mashiak ( pw Messiah) accepts as the sabbath in
accordance with To'rah. So here is the WRITTEN To'rah quoted for you :
[pw=pagan word]
Exo 20:8 “Remember the
Sabbath day, to set it apart.
Exo 20:9 “Six days you
labour, and shall do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the
seventh
day is a Sabbath* of יהוה your Elohim. You do not
do any
work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor
your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within
your gates. Exo 20:11 “For in six days יהוה made the shamayim (pw heavens)
and the
world (pw earth), the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the
seventh day. Therefore יהוה
barak'd (pw
blessed) the Sabbath day and
set it apart. [*-note There are other Sabbaths, but this is
the
weekly Sabbath.]
Could you comment on how this relates to the Muslim or the Quran and
how you plan to come into unity with the To'rah as written here?
Thanks. I am aware of other Quranic verses but I will let you speak
from your own heart and understanding of them for now.?
Haroon :
The week starts
on saturday so
the sabbath falls on the friday. The days start at the early evening
prayers which is at sunset so after sunset is a new day. We follow the
Gregorian calendar for convenience purposes but you have to understand
that the gregorian calendar is associated with paganism which i am sure
you are aware of. We are of the Abrahamic religions.We do nnot have the
revelation as given by God Almighty to Moses pbuh. We have traces of it
just like the Gospel . But again i reiterate that the Quran confirms
the revelations given to Moses pbuh and Jesus pbuh. So for example when
neo atheists attack the person of Moses pbuh and Jesus pbuh as being
imagined personalities then the Quran defende their mission, their
person and their dignity as noble messengers of God Almighty. And yes i
did tell you what day the Prophets accepted as Sabbath and that is
Friday. Or else God Almighty would not have told us in the Quran to ask
them about the sabbath and how the jews changed it. It says '"ask their
doctors of divinity" So there is no ambiguity. There is One God
Almighty and His message to all the messengers would be absolutely
consistent . Being consistent would then mean that at the finality of
Prophethood, the final messenger would be recognised as a true
messenger because the message would be the same and a fulfilling of the
prophecy of previous messengers as to the coming of the final
Messenger. Thus we would all be united in belief and one body of
believers. Its logical conclusion to serve until end times. Sabbath for
all prophets would be same.?
Me:
Dear Haroon
It is clear then that you do not hold the To’rah in awe as your Quran
commands you to since you do not accept the commanded day of the
seventh day as shabbat and have claimed that the Rabbis have changed
it. I do not follow Rabbi’s /Gregorian calendar for keeping appointed
times of Yah’uah. I only follow the prophets and Mashiak Yah’ushua and
the apostles who all stick to To’rah. Here is what the Rabbis say
concerning their answer to the Muslims when they ask about the shabbat
it seems different to what you have stated earlier concerning “fish”
“Question:
In the Bible it says to rest on the seventh day of the week, because
G-d created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. Today
Christians rest on Sunday, Muslims rest on Friday, and Jews rest on
Saturday. How do you know that you are celebrating on the right day?
Answer:
Your very question was dealt with by the Midrash Rabbah, a compilation
close to 2,000 years old.
We were first commanded to keep Shabbat in the desert shortly after we
left Egypt. How did we know when to keep it? In Exodus 16, we are told
that during our journey in the desert, manna fell every day except for
one—the Shabbat. So what did we eat then? A double portion fell every
Friday so that we would have what to eat the next day as well. On the
first Friday after the manna began to fall, the people were surprised
to see so much manna—double that which they had received on each of the
past five days. When they came to ask Moses about this phenomenon, he
revealed that the next day would be the Shabbat and that no manna would
fall at all.
The actual wording of G-d's message to Moses and the Jewish People is
"See that G-d has given to you the Shabbat." The Midrash points out
that the word used is "see" and not "know." It explains:
This is what G-d was saying to them: "If the idolaters will come to you
and ask, 'Why do you make the Shabbat day on this day?' you will tell
them, 'See, the manna does not fall on the Shabbat.'"
For the next 40 years we had a weekly reminder of the Shabbat every
time the manna did not fall. Since then, we have continued to keep
count and will continue to do so for the rest of time.
Rabbi Yehuda Halevi in his 12th century classic, "The Kuzari," points
to an earlier source for the universally accepted week. He points to
the striking fact that the vast majority of the world keeps a seven-day
week—evidence that this must be a very ancient custom indeed. How did
it begin? When Adam was banished from Eden on the first Friday
afternoon of Creation, he rested that first Shabbat. He then counted
six days and again rested on the seventh. Ever since, his offspring in
many parts of the world have emulated this practice, living their lives
by a seven-day week.” reference chabad.org
If the Rabbis had changed the sabbath day Ha Mashiak Yah’ushua would
have rebuked them and corrected it there and then since he came to
preach the To’rah fully and restore it as prophesied by Isaiah.
Isa_42:21 YAH’UAH is well pleased for his righteousness'
sake; he
will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
His Son Yah’ushua was not concerned at all at any time with the day of
shabbat as it was being kept on the seventh day (friday sunset to
Saturday sunset) as commanded and as it is being today. He was only
concerned with HOW it was being kept. Yah’ushua has been appointed
Master of the shabbat by his Father so he would certainly have made it
known loudly that they were keeping it on the wrong day and there would
have been a division over the day and he would have been put to death
over that but he was not!
The scriptures tell us that Yah'uah rested on the seventh day and we
are to rest as he did on the seventh day. You are saying that we are to
rest on the sixth day. Do we listen to you or to Yah'uah??
Haroon :
Where did i say sixth
day. You
havent read what i wrote properly. I said the week begins on Sat and
ends on fri so friday would be the last day of the week making it the
seventh day. I also explained to you when the day starts. Now coming to
scripture. Is the Midrash the Torah as revelaled to Moses pbuh. You are
relying on Rabbinical writings and presenting it as Torah. That cannot
be right. Scholars of judaism and christianity have already reserched
this topic extensively and hve stated that The Torah is no more and all
we have are Rabbinical writings. It is the same with the Talmud which
has gained notoririetary for its content . This has been lamented by
many scholars. The gospel has suffered the same fate. However the Quran
has confirmed the validity Of what was revealed to Moses pbuh and Jesus
pbuh. This confirms the validity of their Messengership and the
ORIGINAL pure revelations. Are those previous revelations in existence,
no , . Furthermore , Why would the Quran want to change the Sabbath of
the Jews or Christians. The Sabbath of the Christians being a Sunday
has already been agreed by many biblical historians,to be pagan derived
from the pagan roman religion of Mithraism. This was more for political
reasons. As for jews, i think your own Rabbis will in secret concede
and in fact some have done it openly , that the jews have proven
themselves in history to be the most contentious and the most
rebellious of the believing peoples. The biggest indictment is the fact
they regressesd to worshiping the golden calf after being delivered
from bondage. So the story of the changing of the Sabbath sounds
extremely credible .
The believers are asked to question the jewish bretheren about the
changing of the sabbath. Strangely your narrative of the Manna and the
version of the fish is very similar. Food for thought. The further
mistakes of the Rabbis post Babylon is the racism and exceptionalism
and exclusivity they gave to jews in their text has turned the pure
teachings of Moses pbuh into a self serving cult.
You WERE chosen people not for a self serving agenda but to lead
mankind on the path of righteousness and truth . Your rebeliousness
lost you that position. The Quran is very clear that the jews were
given several chances and they failed consistently.Knowing that Usury
was forbidden, for example, the jews particularly have turned
compounded interest on money lending into a money making institution.
The Quran is the only religious text which is universal by divine claim
and vowed to protection from corruption. This has stood firm over the
1435 . It further confirms the previous pure revelations so it stands
as a valid document for all people who believe in God Almghty
Me :
Dear Haroon what
you are
saying
is that the Rabbis moved the week forward by one whole day, from Fridy
to Saturday. Now if you are referring to scholars looking at this then
that is from the world perspective and from the world’s acceptance of
which day is the last day of the week. Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary
“Saturday- The seventh and last day of the week, the
Jewish sabbath”
Now that we have established that the world accepts
the Saturday as the
last day of the week by its very definition, then it is the same day
that Yah’uah rested and the same day we must rest as commanded in
To’rah and the same day Yah’ushua kept in line with the Pharisees (
rabbis of the day ) without any friction or rebuke or change. You are
aware that Rome accepted Saturday as the seventh day of the week in
Yah’ushua’s time and Constantine’s time with his evil syncretism and
you are aware that the catholic church knows the sabbath is Saturday
and moved it to what is called the first day of the week SUNday and
brags about it.
In the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church,
in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from
Saturday to Sunday….
—Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50.
So 300 something years before Quran Saturday was still the Sabbath day
for us who keep To’rah.
Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary - Sunday the FIRST day of the week, the
Christian sabbath.
You are aware that if the Yahudim ( Jews) were to paganise
the
sabbath they would have opted for SUN worship since that is what they
kept whoring after, That is what was worshipped in Sinai with the
golden calf ( BAAL) and that is what was in Babylon. The catholic
church whores after the same Baal SUN worship and thus it is SUN day
they keep to venerate the SUN. The pagan Jews still worship the sun and
Rome ( Babylon) today by facing the EAST when praying at their idol of
stone, the Western Wall or Wailing wall (Roman Fort Antonia remains).
This is in direct 180 degree rebellion. Yah’uah has said they were to
have their backs to the east, thus not worshiping the rising sun as the
pagans do.
I am quite aware of the Christians profaning the shabbat of the seventh
day. Let us focus on the Quran and Muslims for now. But I will say
this, moving the sabbath to a different day is one thing but moving the
week is not possible. This did not even happen when the catholics
brought in their calendar around the world. The seven day cycle has not
been interrupted in the history of mankind. Saturday is defined as the
seventh day.
You will know that the Rabbis are not ashamed of their blatant
disrespect for the To’rah. YOU WILL NOTE IT IS THE TO’RAH that remains
as a living witness against the Rabbis so why would you say it has been
changed by them? In fact this is the reason we know it is inpsired of
Yah’uah since it remains an honest account showing those who obeyed and
those who disobeyed. It shows the successes and failures of Israel
according to their keeping of To’rah. It is not a politcal propoganda.
The same applies to the Good Message (wrongly named Gospel from pagan
godspell). The very people who wanted to withold the book of
Revelations the catholic /christian Vatican is the book which
exposes them as the Antimessiah system, the whore of Babylon. So you
cannot tell me that the Good Message has not been ordained by Yah’uah
in the same way as the To’rah which exposes Talmudic Judaism. They will
teach that their oral laws Talmud and Midrash were ADDED thus we know
that To’rah is intact as the WRITTEN law of Yah’uah to Moses and us
BEFORE TALMUD AND MIDRASH were ADDED by them. The rabbis NEVER tell you
they changed the To’rah but they DO tell you they have the “right” to
overide the To’rah using their evil Talmud and Midrash traditions
etcetera etcetera. The same applies to the pope he is not ashamed to
say he overides the SEVENTH DAY sabbath. He accepts the To’rah as
unchanged but that he has changed it with his own tradition. So we do
not throw away To’rah we throw away the Vatican and Judaism and any
religion which changed To’rah.
So when you say the To’rah has been changed by them you are mistaken.
Yes they have fiddled with the name of the creator over 6000 times and
small things but these things are reliably restored due to the numerous
copies of the texts as opposed to the Quran which has only two texts I
think, and the oldest which is different (having word changes within
it) to the more recent one, making small changes such as “virgins in
paradise” versus “a bunch of grapes” etcetera but if I were to say that
the whole of the Quran cannot be accepted as being written by somebody
because it is different here or there that would be absurd ( whether I
believe in it or not ) it is a piece of work written by an author/s and
accepted as such.
You cannot say that the ten commandments have been changed (Exodus
20!!!???) That is absurd!!! No biblical scholar that I know of has ever
said such a thing. The entire world accepts the ten commandments as a
complete work by the author and everybody knows shabbat is the seventh
day ( Saturday). Even the apostles met on the shabbat (same day).
Thus the rabbis use their Talmud and Midrash to try
and make the To’rah
void or add to it or diminish it but the To’rah remains as the witness
against them as they do that, else what witness would we have against
them, what witness would you have against them? Your Quran was written
600 AD, to what does it relate other than the existing To’rah as the
witness against them? You have just used the torah stating “The biggest
indictment is the fact they regressesd to worshiping the golden calf
after being delivered from bondage.”
If you do not accept the TO’rah as reliable then why quote it here as a
witness against them? What assures you that the golden calf story is
not hearsay?
So you cannot say it is not accurate and use it as a witness against
them. That is like using an unreliable witness in court to prove your
case. It was what Messiah used against them and it is quoted
by
him, it is the To’rah. It is not the Quran, it is the TO’rah that
remains that is the witness by which you can only judge. It is the
To’rah by which we judge one another not TALMUD, MIDRASH, HEARSAY OR
THE QURAN IT IS TO’RAH. To’rah states what happens when you do not keep
the sabbath properly.
Exo 31:12 And יהוה
spoke
to Mosheh, saying,
Exo 31:13 “And you,
speak
to the children of Yisra’?l, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by
all means, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your
generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting you apart.
Also see
Eze_20:12 and
Eze_20:20.
Exo 31:14 ‘And you
shall
guard the Sabbath, for it is set-apart to you. Everyone who profanes it
shall CERTAINLY BE PUT TO DEATH, for anyone who does work on it, that
being shall be cut off from among his people.
Exo 31:15 ‘Six days
work
is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath of rest, set-apart to יהוה.
EVERYONE DOING WORK ON THE SABBATH DAY SHALL CERTAINLY BE PUT TO DEATH.
Exo
31:16 ‘And the
children of Yisra’?l shall guard the Sabbath, to perform the Sabbath
throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant.
Exo
31:17 ‘Between Me and
the children of Yisra’?l it is a sign forever. For in six days יהוה
made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and
was refreshed.’ ”
Exo 31:18 And when He
had
ended speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Mosheh two tablets of
the Witness, tablets of stone, WRITTEN WITH THE FINGER OF ELOHIM.
Israel is largely pagan today yet they still
have their
land since they keep shabbat on the right day. If they wilfuly changed
the day surely they would all be dead by now. They are in fact paranoid
over the sabbath keeping for this very fact and the adding of
traditions originally was there to hedge the people in to keep the
sabbath and not profane it for fear of death etc. This legalism however
added 39 oral traditions which made it a burden instead of a delight to
the people. This is what Yah’ushua came to rectify. It was not the day
but the way it was kept that was and is wrong.
The rabbis oppose the To’rah with other writings and traditions, they
do not change the TO’RAH since that would not have been possible since
it would have been quickly discovered as the many copies by the scribes
would have been different and a forgery would have been quickly
discovered. The scribes had to copy word for word, letter by letter, If
they made a mistake on the page the whole page had to be thrown away
and rewritten.
I still have not had any valid reference from you concerning your quote
which included :
“...The fish by the command of God Almighty were plentiful
on
Friday which was the sabbath but were not there on the Saturday”
Now you would agree that if you are stating
something that Yah’uah
COMMANDED here and you have no reference from the ancient book on that,
or otherwise, then it is hearsay and Yah’uah finds it an extremely
blasphemous evil when Words are put in his mouth which he has not said
nor commanded, would you agree? That is adding to his commandments to
which he has stated
Deu 12:32 What thing
soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor
diminish from it.
Apostle Shimon:
2Pe
2:1 But there were false prophets
also among
the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who
privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying Yah’ushua that
bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction
So please Haroon, please supply the author of these
statements with the
time of origin so we can place your quote somewhere in the timeline and
go from there. I cannot work on hearsay.
