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Take the OSAS Challenge updated

We invite you to take the challenge in the "Once Saved Always Saved" (OSAS) so-called argument.

Let's hear what verses you would like to submit; either for or against  OSAS teaching. Simply send us your scripture verse and translation version and write "FOR" or "AGAINST". Then email this to us here. 

We will then add your verse below.

ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED

So far it is not looking good for those in the OSAS camp

[pw=pagan word] Last updated 22/09/17

FOR


(Salvation is Guaranteed by Kindess/ Favour  (pw "Grace")  Regardless of Actions After Justification)


“if you have made Jesus your Lord, you've become a new creature, and sin is no longer an issue between you and God” 

Andrew Womack - No scripture to support this heresy

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“If we have to put one stitch into the garment of our salvation, we shall ruin the whole thing.”

Charles Haddon Spurgeon - No scripture  to support this heresy



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AGAINST


(Salvation is Still Subject to Actions After Justification)


1

Judas Iscariot - Once Saved Then Lost

 Jn 17:12  While I was with them (12 disciples) in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

2

Gentiles & Jews Alike Can Be Cut Off For Not Remaining Morally Good (according to To'rah). Yah'uah's Goodness is Condiitional Based on Our Goodness to Him

Rom 11:19-22 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by emunah (pagan word -faith). Be not highminded, but fear:  For if YHUH spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of YHUH: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in * goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

(* "his" not there in the original Greek. "In his goodness" falsely implies that one can remain wicked while simply staying "in his goodness" and therefore be immune to judgement- it us who must follow his example of goodness put another way : it  has been inserted in the corrupted translation to try and separate responsibility from ourselves in DOING goodness and creating the false idea of magically being covered in a "goodness cloak" while sinning under it) Goodness here is moral excellence ie To'rah )

3

Better Not To Have Known the Good Message (pw gospel) Commandments If One Is Still Living Worldly Thereafter

2 Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour Messiah Yah'ushua, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the pure commandment (Torah) delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire

4

Moral Conviction (pw Faith) to Obey Must Remain

 1Tim 1:19-20 Holding emunah/moral conviction (pagan word-faith), and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning emunah have made shipwreck:  Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

5

Merely Professing Belief Does Not Provide Immunity to the Wilfull Transgressor of YHUH's Law

 Col 3:24 Knowing that of the Master ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Master Messiah.  But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of person.

6

Whosoever  Does Not Remain Obedient to His Commandments:

II Jn 1:8 Whosoever transgresseth (sins- breaks To'rah), and abideth not in the doctrine of Messiah* hath not YHUH.

*(Mat 28:18-20, John 15:10)

7

Spiritual Restoration is Still Affected By Sinful Deeds; Something Worse Than Physical Affliction: Eternal Damnation

 Jn 5:14 Afterward Yah'ushua findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

8

 Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?  For the Son of man shall come in the splendour of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works

9

Peter Warns the congregation (pw church) Against the Possibility of Falling Away Unto Destruction After the Error of the Wicked (Lawless -Those Who Falsely Teach That Paul was Teaching Men Not to Obey YHUH's Law)

11 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Master is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;  16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures (Torah), unto their own destruction.  17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked (lawless), fall from your own stedfastness.

So although Yah'ushua has given us a secure place of salvation on which to stand we can still fall  from it.

10

Example Of Men Who Were Previously Taught the Right Way (Commandments of YHUH) are Later Cursed & Cannot Cease From Sin

II Pet 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin (transgressing the law); beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:  15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;  16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.  17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

11

Those Who Only Appear to Walk the Walk Are Destroyed

Phil 3: 17-19 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the execution stake (pagan word- cross) of Messiah: Whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose splendour is in their shame, who mind earthly things. For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Master Yah'ushua Messiah:

12

Making Your Election Sure Requires 7  Additional Things to be Added to emunah (pagan word -"faith")

 II Peter 5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your emunah virtue; and to virtue knowledge;  6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience YHUH-likeness;  7 And to YHUH-likeness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness love.  8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Master Yah'ushua Messiah.  9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.  10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

13

Even Elect -Possible to Be Deceieved

  Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Messiahs (so-called anointed ones), and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and miracles; insomuch that, if * possible,* deceive (seduce) the very elect. 

(* "it were" and "they shall" -not present in original Greek.

14

Under Renewed Covenant: Worse Punishment for Willingly Transgressing The Torah After Purification by Yah'ushua's Atonement

Heb 10:26 For if we sin (transgress Torah) wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,  27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.  28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:  29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of YHUH, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was purified, an unpure thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of favour?

15

Yah'ushua warns all about securing salvation in order to not lose it.

Luk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words (Torah) shall not pass away. 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

16

Heb 10: 35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. 36 For ye have need of patience (endurance, continuance), that, after ye have done the will of YHUH, ye might receive the promise. 37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. 38 Now the just shall live by emunah (pagan word-faith): but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; (like Judas) but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

17

Do not become careless in this life simply because you profess Yah'uah- those that sin will be punished regardless

1 Pet 1: 17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

18

Shaul warns the righteous not to be deceived by going back to unrighteousness that they WERE doing in the past else they will lose their salvation

 1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the rule and reign (pagan word- kingdom) of Yahuah? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,  10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the rule and reign (pagan word- kingdom) of Yahauah.  11 And such WERE some of you...

19

Saved believers who are deceived into thinking they can sin shall lose their souls, unless they change

James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;  20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

20

1 Tim 5:11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Messiah, they will marry;  12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first emunah (pagan word -faith)

21

"Nothing shall separate you fom the love of Yah'uah" except if you rebel and sin against his covenant which results in His *breach of contract and *enmity

Numbers 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my *breach of promise.

22

An everlasting covenant does not mean one without conditions which can result in it being cancelled by Yah'uah

Zechariah 11:9 Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another. 
10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. 

23

The renewed everlasting covenant (falsely called New Testament) does not change Zech 11:9-10 above but rather confirms it through Shaul  (Paul)

Rom 11:22...but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in * goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

24

Salvation requires an enduring unwavering righteous attitude which confirms the language in Zech 11:9-10 (22 above)

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is set apart (pw holy), let him be set apart (holy) still. 

25

The Everlasting Covenant  is a marriage covenant between the believer and Yah'uah (pw God) that is not to be broken by the believer. All have broken this covenant through original sin and ignorance of To'rah. But now Yah'ushua has made it possible for us to renew it through him but if it is broken through wilful rebellious sin thereafter it is likened to adultery (whoring after other lusts). Yah'uah's To'rah shows that the adulterer is cut off and not to be taken back.  Likewise Yah'uah knows if you have an adulterous heart and He will divorce a spiritual adulterer as with the 10 lost tribes of Israel.

 Deut 24: 1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 
  2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s wife.
  3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
  4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before Yah'uah (pw the Lord): and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
26
Messiah warns us to hold onto our crown of life  since it is possible for a man to take it from you if you allow him to by false teaching and tempting you away from Elohim's commands
  11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

27

We must remain in Messiah and continue being righteous or else be in ashamed at his coming
1 Jn 2:28-29 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
  If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

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